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Thursday, July 14, 2005

Ten. 10. a. 1010. 12. X.

yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away/
now armadillos eat my larvae - the beetles
Remembering Netscape: The Birth of the Web

Good article, interesting reading. Hard to believe it's been just ten years. If you weren't in elementary school (no offense, honest!) when you first heard the name Netscape, what did it mean to you? Anything?

Ten years ago these "places" (and in most cases the companies behind them) did not exist: Google. Yahoo! MSN. Blogger, obviously. There's lots more of course but I'm drawing a blank trying to think of some.

Dateline: summer, 1995. Microsoft's Bill Gates watched Windows 95 replace MS-DOS, and no doubt smiled as IBM's technically superior competing product (OS/2) withered and died.

AOL and Time Warner were separate companies. Oh wait, is that true again? No matter. Back then AOL - free! for 30 days! - had (1) a bad reputation, (2) slow, expensive service, (3) clueless users, and (4) token competition from Prodigy and Compuserve. What's that saying, the more things change...? User cluelessness is down, I suppose.

Internet Explorer? No such thing. Computer viruses existed but were relatively uncommon and hard to get. Trojan - that's a condom, right? Worms? Fishing lures. Spyware and adware weren't even words, though "spam" meant more than canned ham even then.

No DVD drives, MP3s, iPods, or X-Box. No Half-Life, standalone or multiplayer. Online games yes, but - well. The words limited and (comparatively) lame come to mind.

Thinking about this "wonderful" stuff makes me wonder: when did you start using the internet, and why (i.e. for what purpose(s))?

Hard to imagine the next ten years bringing an equal amount or "degree" of change. What do you think?

Friday update: OS/2 is now "officially" dead. Long live OS/2.
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18 Emissions:

Blogger Lou (a.k.a. rainpuddles) emitted...

Ha ha ha! Crazy how far we've come in such a short period of time. As for the next 10 years, I'm not sure. I can't even imagine what kind of stuff they'll invent. So I don't know what kind of "degree" of change we'll see... It is hard to imagine seeing the same degree but at the same time I think it's possible.

Oh and I started using the internet late 1998 or early 1999 to start an e-mail account with hotmail. I don't think I used the internet for much before that. I didn't have a computer in my home until mid-1998. I remember opening that account and reading the ENTIRE terms of use! Lol... you may laugh at me now. I wanted to know what it said and what I was agreeing to. I still often skim and sometimes read the terms of use when installing something... you just never know what they might put in there!

=)

7/14/2005 01:47:00 PM  
Blogger Demosthenes emitted...

I think we'll all be dead in 10 years. Not by nuclear armageddon (everyone including country leaders are too afraid to start it), not by asteroid strike (NASA has already proven they can blow up space rocks with scientific ease), not by an alien race (all the ones "seen" on Earth so far have, with all of their superior technology, managed to crash and disappear) and not by secret societies (including The Illuminati, The Order of the Assassins, Skull and Bones, The Rosicrucians, The Order of the Garter, The Knights Templar and the Film Actor's Guild or F.A.G.)

We will all be dead in 10 years because of Nicolas Cage. Yes, we will make phenomenal and who knows what kind of advances in technology, but with every plasma screen, with every hologram projector, with every media-enhancing product, his immensely awful and poorly-acted world will come crashing further into ours. We will consume ourselves, and when the first "virtual reality" system comes out, our heads will explode as his monogramed lines desgined for an action movie float a little TOO close to our culture ears.

7/14/2005 08:16:00 PM  
Blogger Demosthenes emitted...

Wait a minute... what if old Nick is a member of the Film Actors Guild? YES! Score one for the conspiracy busters. So, I guess secret societies might have a hand in our downfall after all. Too bad he didn't show up to get decapitated in Team America with the rest of those F.A.G.s

7/14/2005 08:18:00 PM  
Blogger Radioactive Jam emitted...

Demosthenes - good to see you in top form :->

Rainpuddles - I know what you mean about reading terms etc. I'm mostly over them now, but it wasn't easy getting to this point.

98, 99, hotmail? Sounds right, but I would have guessed that came about later. Wonder if Microsoft owned them by that time; I can't remember.

7/14/2005 08:41:00 PM  
Blogger Lou (a.k.a. rainpuddles) emitted...

Demosthenes- Would it be a really horrible thing if I admitted that Nicholas Cage is one of my favourite male actors. I loved him in Conair (sweet father) and in Gone in Sixty Seconds (fast cars).... other than those two movies though, I haven't watched many of his flicks.

7/15/2005 12:00:00 AM  
Blogger Nadia emitted...

By Demosthenes' account, I should be shot and paraded around town to be made an example of for the simple fact that *deep breath* I slightly enjoyed 'Moonstruck'.

radioactive - So very happy to see What About Bob on your list. One of the first movies I remember watching and laughing at (I must've been around 9, so I doubt I could've explained what it was that I found so funny).

I can't say I grew up with the Internet, although I did start using it when I was 11, just because I thought email was the coolest thing ever.

7/15/2005 12:52:00 AM  
Blogger Jon emitted...

I do believe this is my first comment here… we’ll blame it on my tremendously lazy nature…

Anyway… I remember logging on to BBS’s with our kick ass, state of the art 1200 baud modem… yeah, that’s when we were rocking the 486/ 66mHz with an astounding 16 MB of RAM and a gaudy 300 MB hard drive… Seriously only took 5 minutes to boot up…(that was our 4th or 5th computer though, and I think it’s still performing some itsy bitsy Linux distro somewhere in my dad’s useless Linux cluster) Nothing finer than the sound of a dialup modem shaking hands across copper telephone lines…

7/15/2005 02:14:00 AM  
Blogger Radioactive Jam emitted...

Nadia - using email at 11 makes perfect sense to me. I'm guessing you had some friends hooked up as well; I doubt you were one of those unbalanced people (we won't mention any names) who sent most of their email to themselves just to stay "active" online.

"Don't ask me how I know" - Bobby Pinson

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Jon! Glad you stopped in, feel free to waste as much time here as you want. And I know what you mean about dialup handshakes; I get to hear one every day at home.

Seems like this alone should explain, justify and validate my blogging activity at work.

Mmmm, BBS...

Ever play Trade Wars, or Yankee Trader?

7/15/2005 07:05:00 AM  
Blogger ScroobiousScrivener emitted...

I seriously doubt we'll see the same degree of change - it's one of those big evolutionary jumps; things will develop but at a different pace. Apart from blogging, there hasn't been much that's really new over the past, ooh, four or five years? And as fabulous as blogging, Flickr etc are - obviously - I don't subscribe to the "this is changing the world" belief.

I started using internet (primarily for a webmail account, not much more) in 1998. I was mildly terrified by the shrieking 27k modem. But then, I wrote out almost all my university essays by hand (1994-1997). Obviously I've never been an early adopter.

In 1999 I was *slightly* more active on the net (I remember being astonishingly bad at searches, but then, without Google, what do you expect?) and by 2000 I was in awe of Jeeves' all-embracing knowledgeability. It wasn't until 2001 though that I started relying on the web in work-related matters - that to me is a major milestone. I find it hard to understand how anyone could ever have done my job (involves a lot of fact-checking) before Google. Then again, I find it hard to understand how anyone could have published anything before Quark and Adobe, but newspapers do seem to have existed before DTP...

7/15/2005 08:44:00 AM  
Blogger Demosthenes emitted...

That's another thing... I forgot that most of the rest of the world actually likes the guy. One point for Cage and one more reason for me to dislike him.

Jam- All apocalypse theories aside, I do find it very interesting how inconceivable the internet was 20 years ago. We had not even thought about THINKING about idea. It's just like wondering if other worlds have different forms of matter. To us, the ones we have seem to cover it all and we can't imagine anything else. Seriously, think about it. I compare that to pre-computer and internet times. We can only speculate that there WILL be something we haven't even thought about in another 10 years, we simply can't speculate WHAT. Therein lies the beauty of human progression.

7/15/2005 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger Liberta emitted...

I don't even remember the first time i used the internet, i have used it so much after that, that everything just becomes a blur of surfing the internet over and over again. I actually think i am a little addicted to it. I have to come on at least once a day to check things...it is all really pointless actually because most of the time i don't get new emails, no one is on messenger to speak to and i have comments on blogger to check rarely. Although i would consider blogger to be a healthy habit of mine, since it helps me develop my writing skills, also i learn quite alot about politics from demosthenes' blog. It is all good really!

7/16/2005 04:19:00 AM  
Blogger Syar emitted...

hey, you deserve a better comment, so i'll come back seeing as i am so bumming off my friends pc right now.

thanks for linking me!! syar's place is fine, i'll tell you if i come up with anything else. =) you made my day with your comment. *big smiles all around*

7/16/2005 06:43:00 AM  
Blogger jedith emitted...

Computers are becoming quite powerful indeed. Why, with all of the amazing things computers can do, they almost meet all of the requirements for a living entity...I don't like that. We are being seconded by a robotic race of computers who are slowly taking over the world.

Hopefully in 10 years we will be living in the presence of Jesus on Earth. :)

7/16/2005 08:43:00 AM  
Blogger jedith emitted...

By the way, I just read the post you made on my blog and I understand what you are confused about. I called my boss transvestite because he/she simply can't be two sexes at the same time, so he/she had to compensate by dressing up as a member of the opposite sex. Also, I did not say he/she was a hippie. i merely said that he/she LOOKED like a hippie when he/she dies his/her skin all sorts of colors.

7/17/2005 08:59:00 AM  
Blogger Glo emitted...

I don't know where we'll be in 10 years. I don't know where I'll be in 10 days. I don't like to think like that.

But I do claim the fame of being the only person in the world whose parents got the Internet in its infancy so their kids could chat online. My parents are so cool.

7/17/2005 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anne Arkham emitted...

Back then the World Wide Web was only one aspect of the internet. There were other, non WWW internets. You'd log on to AOL and choose one.

7/20/2005 10:10:00 PM  
Blogger Radioactive Jam emitted...

Anne - Compuserve was (is?) similar. I think the online services have always provided some non-www stuff. Wasn't AOL-bashing a popular activity among elitist snobs supposedly contributing signal (vs. noise) to usenet? That's where I first noticed it.

I suppose we don't have elitists anymore; wow we have 1337s and h4x0rs. And n00bs.

7/21/2005 06:48:00 AM  
Blogger Carol Danvers emitted...

I feel like an old fart. AOL wasn't even around until my late high school years. My family has always had a computer (my mom was a mathematician who worked with some of the first computers in the 60s - the room sized ones - and my father is a professor at a university). My first experience with a modem was maybe around 14 years old (1992) using it from home to converse with my Dad's computer at work - and my friends would come over and use it to connect to a server in order to play those early "online" games you mentioned. I have no clue how "fast" it was - I just remember it being very large and super-noisy and slow. But slow is relative - at that point it was considered fast I suppose.

I didn't actively use the internet until 1996 when I went to college and was required to get an email address. At that point I experimented with chats, discussion boards, etc. And a little with searching. I do remember the first time my then-boyfriend (now ex) turned to me and said - "Look at this, you can search for anything, anything at all - think of something silly!" (speaking of Netscape I believe). That was 1996. Since then, I have become SO dependent on the internet that I seriosly don't think I could find ANYTHING without it. I'd be at a loss. I use it every single day for every kind of task imaginable.

Have no idea where it will be in another 10 years, but I must disagree with Scoobius about things like blogs, flickr and tagging not changing the world. IMO, they already HAVE changed the world. At least the world of the people who use them - and that number is growing EXPONENTIALLY every day. IMO, these past 5 years (since blogging and discussion boards have gained in popularity) have irreversibly changed the way we communicate.

The downside is that it puts a damper on human-to-human communication occasionally. Just ask my boyfriend :p

7/28/2005 03:35:00 PM  

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